Hound with too much mouth

andrew

Caretaker
Staff member
Do you think extra mouthiness in a hound is genetic? If yes, is it always?

Could it be the way a hound is started? If he Is started with a mouthy hound, could he develop it as a habit? If yes, then that would not necessarily be genetic?

What are your thoughts about this?
 

Kwalk1

Active Member
I think nose equals mouth...if they can smell it and bark so be it...if they are barking for a reason other than smelling a rabbit that is mouthy. I personally think a cold nose dog is desirable. They are only as good as their nose....I think it's a mistake to breed out nose power even if some field trailers are doing so. I don't think the expression "they won't open until it's up" equates to brains but simply to nose power. I don't believe cold trailing is the grievous fault many make it out to be....barking without smelling it is... Just an opinion that many don't share.....I think popping off could relate to genetics but not in a direct sense.. I don't know but I don't believe there is a bark no bark gene.....
 
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maokusa

Well-Known Member
Staff member
It is genetically controlled in my opinion. Some bloodlines produce hounds that won’t open on deer or are at least less likely to. All hounds use their nose to find you when out in the woods. Some will bark on your trail some will not. Not a nose thing it’s a brain thing. I have seen dogs that would run silent. Not a desirable trait but had nothing to do with their nose, they could smell you could tell by their body language just wouldn’t bark. To me proper use of mouth is when the hounds are progressing the track in the proper direction. Hounds are going to smell rabbit tracks everywhere when out running at times the good hounds that use their mouth properly will only bark on the track that is leading them to where the rabbit last went. To me this is where you separate the top notch hounds from the wanna be’s. Those hounds that can solve those puzzles where tracks are intertwined and going every direction are the best hounds in my opinion. If you tolerate a hound barking just because he smells rabbit you will never experience the joy of watching a tracking master at work. It’s all genetic you can’t train a dog to do what’s not bred there to begin with. Training only brings those abilities out and enhances them. In my opinion.
 
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Kwalk1

Active Member
There you go speaking for me again...."If you tolerate a hound barking just because he smells rabbit you will never experience the joy of watching a tracking master at work." I do and I have. In my post I said smells a rabbit and I can only know that its a rabbit that has her or him barking when others join in later or I see the rabbit. If others don't join or the rabbit is not seen...then I have a mouthy dog because I am left to assume he/she was not smelling a rabbit.. As I have stated several times in the past "They won't get better if you don't run them." I have had pretty good experiences in taking well breed dogs that have been rejected by others and putting them in the field frequently and allowing them the opportunity to become the best their genetics will allow.
 

maokusa

Well-Known Member
Staff member
There you go speaking for me again...."If you tolerate a hound barking just because he smells rabbit you will never experience the joy of watching a tracking master at work." I do and I have. In my post I said smells a rabbit and I can only know that its a rabbit that has her or him barking when others join in later or I see the rabbit. If others don't join or the rabbit is not seen...then I have a mouthy dog because I am left to assume he/she was not smelling a rabbit.. As I have stated several times in the past "They won't get better if you don't run them." I have had pretty good experiences in taking well breed dogs that have been rejected by others and putting them in the field frequently and allowing them the opportunity to become the best their genetics will allow.
I am not speaking for anyone but myself. I refuse to lower myself to an argument at this point. I respect your post and opinion. I posted my opinion. It differs from yours. You’re probably right.
 
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